Ms. Tippett: You talk about the “part of the psyche that works in concert with consciousness and supplies a necessary part of the poem—a heart of the star as opposed to the shape of the star, let us say—exists in a mysterious, unmapped zone: not unconscious, not subconscious, but cautious. . .you're saying that the writer has to be kind of in courtship with this...
Ms. Oliver: Yes.
Ms. Tippett: ...elusive, essential, but elusive, cautious, as you say, cautious part. And that if you turn up every day, it will learn to trust you.
Ms. Oliver: Yes, yes, yes, yes. I remember that.
Ms. Tippett: This is a very practical way about talking about something that's quite...
Ms. Oliver: That trust is very important ...
Ms. Tippett: And that's the creative process.
Ms. Oliver: That is the creative process.
- from On Being, "Listening to the World," an interview with Mary Oliver